Literally, I just got these prototypes, these are the new race pads, the back plate are actually titanium with alloy where the pistons come into contact.
you can see how thick the pad is and the grooves for debris to fly off.
the coefficient of friction? rated 0.70
I'm suspecting this will eat thru a pair of rotors per pair of pads, haha.
I'd suggest you buy extra rotors with it along with bias valve, I don't think the rear caliper is going to have much bite compare to this, or at least get some Frodo pads that are AT least has cf of 0.5
I currently use TI shims behind my Daily driving Hawk HPS pads, as well as the Hawk Blues when I hit the track day.
But to integrate the Titanium into the brake pad?! Genius....
The thing is, if the caliper itself has built in heat-shield, the chance of you needing the backing plates are relatively low even on most tracking pads, cause at 0.5 coefficient of friction, even know its quite grippy, but the heat generated is still relative, most calipers that require seperate backing plate is mainly due to lack of heat shield on the calipers.
I've burned the dust seals etc to a crips on my 350z SOOOOoooooo many times... Ti shield would be handy. What fitment(s) are you making these in, only your caliper?
I've burned the dust seals etc to a crips on my 350z SOOOOoooooo many times... Ti shield would be handy. What fitment(s) are you making these in, only your caliper?
yes, try our calipers, you won't be having those kinda problems
I have to say that looks pretty sweet. Might be something I look at the for the GT-R when I get back. I would like to do more track events. Those are a lot more fun then what you can do on the street.
I have to say that looks pretty sweet. Might be something I look at the for the GT-R when I get back. I would like to do more track events. Those are a lot more fun then what you can do on the street.
To be honest, I'm not sure if it'll be ideal for GTRs.
To be honest, I'm not sure if it'll be ideal for GTRs.
I am curious why that would be the case. After talking to Sharif at Forged Performance he said the brakes only needed new pads to imporve their performance for daily driving plus some weekend track use. He did not recommend changing the rotors until they got damaged or replacing the calipers either. Those are things that could be changed if it was a track car only along withteh suspension, but for ocasional track use and mostly daily driving he suggested upgrading the pads would be the best bet.
Thoughts? of you can send me a PM if you do not want to clutter your thread. Sorry for the OT questions.
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I am curious why that would be the case. After talking to Sharif at Forged Performance he said the brakes only needed new pads to imporve their performance for daily driving plus some weekend track use. He did not recommend changing the rotors until they got damaged or replacing the calipers either. Those are things that could be changed if it was a track car only along withteh suspension, but for ocasional track use and mostly daily driving he suggested upgrading the pads would be the best bet.
Thoughts? of you can send me a PM if you do not want to clutter your thread. Sorry for the OT questions.
--B
its ok.
The biggest thing is heat, each company/manufacture has different compound/raw material when comes to calipers, what works for company A doesn't mean it'll work for company B, Brembo is known to use more material for the caliper than similar product, mainly cause its cast, the main reason is so it can retain more heat, which is good and bad.
when the pads can achieve 0.7 cf (coefficient of friction), combine with the momentum of a GTR, the relationship between heat vs, momentum vs, cf is exponential, any of the cf or momentum increase, the temperature would increase by at least 20-40 ºF , and let's be honest Brembo doesn't have the best quality control now days with them being so big, its a very likely chance you'll warp the actual caliper, we've seen warp calipers from other companies before, and its not pretty.
Instead of running something has such high CF, it makes more sens to run something in the 0.5 range.
The reason why we develop this for our calipers is mainly we know it can handle it, the fact our calipers have built in heatshield, 5000tons cold forged, and all CNC machined has quite bit to do with everything.
Cool, thanks Sam. Really appreaciate your explaination. I guess I will have to wait til I get home and do a bit more research on stuff like this before I hit the track too much.
Cool, thanks Sam. Really appreaciate your explaination. I guess I will have to wait til I get home and do a bit more research on stuff like this before I hit the track too much.
The OEM brakes will handle track quite well, you just have to get real good pads with titanium backing plates, and have spare rotors (we will be making replacement GTR rotors soon).
I'd actually say the factory pads are not bad, I'd definitely run those down first and then go from there on.
Or, wait for our uber EVO12, 410mm x 38 rotors with Big EVO12 front, 380mm with L6 rear.