Hi guyz Im working on this project where a civic will be cut in half and widened about 6 or 7 inches depending on the size of the monster. The monster i refer to is the small block 350 im dropping in it its going to take alot of money and time but you can bet that youll see me in the 08 rally if you can catch the import monster.

is that safe?

seriously..you're cutting your frame in half? and then increasing torque and hp? THEN driving several thousand miles?

maybe you meant fire wall forward only?

Maybe I'm being a pussy. lol

That is a unique idea, kind of a horizontal limo conversion. Have you started this yet, or is it just in the idea stage. There are some obvious hurdles to overcome but as the pontiac commercials suggest, wider is better. Wouldn't it be easier to swap the engine, do a turbo and nitrous kit, etc rather than widening a car? To each his own, and post pictures of Frankenstein when you get finished, sounds like some fun.

Also, you might want to try and get in touch with X-Zibit because I saw an episode of Pimp My Ride where he was working with a car that was a hyrbrid of two vehicles, or had previously been cut in half, or something like that. He probably has some experience in the area and could help you out. If that doesn't work out he could hook you up with a big tv in the headrest. Good luck with the small block ricer.
-Ed

Good luck with that. A turbo 4 would make the same ammount of power with 1/2 the weight of the V8. Also, for the price of the conversion you could have yourself a nice 70's Vette. Then do some stuff to it and make some more pony's.

Nick

wow. I knew it. MTV would attract the ricers. This has to be a joke. Like Seth came up with a new name or something.

I cannot imagine the amount of work and custom fabrication something like that would take. It seems like it would be faster and cheaper to literally build your own car from various components in a junkyard. everything in the drivetrain would need to be modified to within fractions of an inch.

Chris, how about you whip up a Herbie the love bug/civic AKA Rally decal kit for this guy in 08 (would that make him 14 now?).

wow. I knew it. MTV would attract the ricers. This has to be a joke. Like Seth came up with a new name or something.
He posted this up in other threads too. Why the hell would you widen a car? I can see like GT cars, or the hot M3 widebody. But cutting a car in 1/2 to widen it. That thing would never see the road again.

Nick

ive seen many cars cut in half before but never horizontally. in fact many cars in my country were cut before they entered the island, to cut shipping tho. the windscreen and the doors are taken off and the car is cut between the empty windscreen space and between where doors were. also alot of these cars break apart at the weld whenever they crash. i heard the right weld has to be used. its not just cutting and pasting its very technical. why widen the car? why not just buy something? id suggest you do some research first cuz it seems your not even sure what ur doin hence u saying "6 or 7 inches". if ur going to get an engine shouldnt u already kno what alterations u should do to ur car? good luck anyways.

actually this is no joke as soon as i get the five grand for the civic i will have begun the process i have engine taken out and cleaned and its waiting for its home. The reason i have to cut the car in half is because a small block is about 9 inches wider then a 4 cylinder and it would be impossible to drop the monster in without doing so. I just wanted to be different and more powerful than all the other ricers so i am.

So you don't have the money to buy the car yet once you do, you are going to start chopping it up? Do you have any idea what a project like that would take in terms of man hours and $$$? Everything will have to be custom made. I mean, where are you going to get things like a windshield? All of the driveline and steering mechanisms (not that those will matter because the thing will never go straight again) will have to be completely custom build at a cost that I cannot imagine. I suppose the fact that you are actually planning to tackle something like this signifies your Darwinian elimination from the roads of our country because I cannot imagine the car ever running, and your abbreviation from the gene pool if it does get on a road with you in it. Given that, I should not try to talk you out of the idea but I will simply tell you that if you started saving for a Ferrari today, you could buy one for less than you would sink into the civic and have it much sooner than you will see any finished product (probably infinitely sooner).
-Ed

i know that all you people out there think that hey this wil never work but im telling you it will i know enough people and know enough about old school engines such as 350s 400s and so on and enough about imports to know that it will work and that it will drive straight. You people have to start thinking out side the box if i wanted a ferarri id say ill see you all you guys in my brand new ferarri in 08 but i dont want a ferarri im more of a muscle car person but have a soft spot for imports so im making a hybrid so all you people who dont really think it will work i shall show all of you. Besides im not doing it on my show civic hah im not stupid.

Are you waiting until 2008 because that is when the car will be finished, that is when you will have the $3,000, or because you are 14 years old? Just curious.
-Ed

actually im waiting until 2008 because thats when my friend will be old enough to go with me im 16 and can go in 07 if i want to but i would like to bring my friend because ive helped her through hard times and shes helped me. im hoping to have the money by the end of this year or the beginning of next year. yeah but dont be so optimistic i can do it ive never been a quitter and im not about to start being one.

Then best of luck with the car, the girl, and the cash.

thanks!!! see you all in 08 anyone have any idea what the route will be in 08?

oh and another question whats the best music to cruise to?

I dont think the route for 08 is even being thought of yet ask that again in a couple of years. I would check out the other topics for questions about music.

i'm not that old yet, only 28. but i love it when young kids post their wild dreams on public forums such as these when they have absolutely no funding for the project. you don't even have $5000 for the car itself. you'd need another $10,000-$15,000 to have an actual (reputable) chassis shop to actually make you a sturdy enough chassis to handle the torque that motor will put on a little civic body.

then you go off and say that you'll see us in 2008 which is in almost 4 years.

it's good to dream and i don't mean to sound harsh. but sometimes it's good to stop, and actually think about the realities of this type of project.

i'm not that old yet, only 28. but i love it when young kids post their wild dreams on public forums such as these when they have absolutely no funding for the project. you don't even have $5000 for the car itself. you'd need another $10,000-$15,000 to have an actual (reputable) chassis shop to actually make you a sturdy enough chassis to handle the torque that motor will put on a little civic body.

then you go off and say that you'll see us in 2008 which is in almost 4 years.

it's good to dream and i don't mean to sound harsh. but sometimes it's good to stop, and actually think about the realities of this type of project.

I completely agree, you are getting in WAY over your head here. It's good that you have enthusiasm about it, but your project makes no financial, or logical sense. If you are a muscle car guy, then get a muscle car. The only swaps I would even consider doing would be any shoehorning that wouldn't require cutting of the frame. I know you don't want to hear this, but you will be making a mistake if you attempt to swap that motor into a civic.

look i know all of you people think this wont work and im starting to have my doubts about i have recently compared sizes of a four cylinder and a 350 and the 350 is huge compared to it i knew it would be bigger but not that much its going to cost alot of money yes but i dont care we put a small block 400 in a triumph spitfire for a little over 10,000$ and it ran fine was pretty fast to. I may be making a mistake but im going to try anyway if i succeed ill post pictures if i fail ill take pictures and post them also but until then i do believe that i can do ive never backed down from anything and i wil not start now. But no matter what if it works or doesnt i will be in either the 07 rally or the 08 rally

I'm just concerned about how structurally sound that would be.

You did say widen right? It's not like you're building a custom frame with a widened chasis around it. A horizontally stretched, patched frame sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

no im not gonna just go and cut the frame inhalf and superglue it back together im gettin a drag frame/chassis for it so that the power from the engine will not twist the little import frame in half im gonna have the 8 point roll cage and 5 point racing harness' so if anything does go wrong it wont hurt.....bad. anyways yeah

hahaha ill never conform to other ricers ill always be faster or more powerful<<<<<ok i was bored. Ive been thinking alot about this project and how much it will cost and how hard it will be im sure that itll punch me in the face a few times and get me to thinking itll never be complete but ive got determintaion and will power and it will be complete no matter how long it takes until then ill stick to my 4 cylinder in my hatchback its got a bit of power yeah i got bored and noone was online so i decided to write to you guys

look i know all of you people think this wont work and im starting to have my doubts about i have recently compared sizes of a four cylinder and a 350 and the 350 is huge compared to it i knew it would be bigger but not that much its going to cost alot of money yes but i dont care we put a small block 400 in a triumph spitfire for a little over 10,000$ and it ran fine was pretty fast to. I may be making a mistake but im going to try anyway if i succeed ill post pictures if i fail ill take pictures and post them also but until then i do believe that i can do ive never backed down from anything and i wil not start now. But no matter what if it works or doesnt i will be in either the 07 rally or the 08 rally


See ya in 2014!

See ya in 2014!

My money is on seeing him in (on*) 2020.

*also known as the TV show he will be on if he ever manages to shoehorn that motor into that chassis on that budget.

EDIT: God damn I am a dickhead. hahahah

Civic Racer 350: your from Michigan. There are TONS of lightweight cars around here that are alot easier to throw a V8 in. The Chevette would be real easy and a complete sleeper, Fiero would also be a very un-suspecting predator and out-handle alot of cars, mid 70's Corvette, 80's 280Z's, 80's RX7's, Camaro's, T/A's, etc. These would all make as fast of a vehicle or faster and save you 10 grand. What do you plan on driving in the winter?

Nick

doesnt anyone get that if i wanted a different car i would get it when i say im going to do something i will do no matter what the consequence i know a few people that you can ask about that i dont like chevettes i think they are ugly. Fieros are considered sportscar and i dont want sports car. I have considered buying a corvette know a guy that has one for 2500$ but im not gonna drive a corvette everysingle day. Its to much of a classic to ruin like that when i say ill be in the 08 rally or the 07 rally i will be if not both. I love it when people underestimate me because when i do shine through it shows just how much of an ass they were. You guys will see it and if it doesnt have a 350 you can bet that it will have one bad ass 4 cylinder in it as it has now i hate slow drivers and dont like to drive slow. Therefore any car i get will be badass no matter what it is. so chew on that! and gotboost who said anything about a v8 im talking about the true motor a smallblock 350 not some engineered bull im going for power and reputation not good looks

who said i wanted something prebuilt maybe i want to build my own maybe im a little more independent maybe i wasnt raised to settle for stock prebuilt crap. I hate stock motors i hate anything stock really and will never settle for it. The hatchback that im getting already has the turbo an the intercooler coming it already has a 3 inch exhaust. nothing about this car is stock except for the interior which i can stand until i get the money for the bucket seats and racing harnesses. i thought i would include this!!!

who said i wanted something prebuilt maybe i want to build my own maybe im a little more independent maybe i wasnt raised to settle for stock prebuilt crap. I hate stock motors i hate anything stock really and will never settle for it. The hatchback that im getting already has the turbo an the intercooler coming it already has a 3 inch exhaust. nothing about this car is stock except for the interior which i can stand until i get the money for the bucket seats and racing harnesses. i thought i would include this!!!

hey man they are only giving you constructive criticism, the more you cry about it the more your acting your age. These guys are older than you and have seen alot of stuff in the car world they are just giving their opinion.

And i am responding whichis my god given right if you so choose to have a problem with this you dont have to read it. i am only stating that i will not just be another guy with a souped up civic that thinks he is all that i will be different i have always been different and will always be different

ok we get it your different...damn

We all applaud your die-hard spirit and uniqueness but you should try and step back for a second and listen to yourself. You are saying that you are going to undertake a project that people would question Boyd Coddington trying. Also, you're doing it on what seems to be a limited budget. If you were approaching this claiming that instead of buying a $70,000 Ferrari, you are going to put a large V8 in a civic using the same money with your own expertise in custom fabrication, people might think that you have a shot. When you say that you are going to keep at it for 4+ years no matter what, nickle and dimeing the project along the way, obvious doubts arise. I know that you are 100% confident that you will be successful but after half an hour with the sawz-all you might see things our way. Regardless, if I see some guy on the rally with Vette engined Civic, I will still shake his hand (perhaps while questioning his judgement). Keep us posted but don't be surprised when everyone doesn't believe in you along the way.
-Ed

Well now that someone finally does give a bit of positive feedback i feel a bit better but mr ed its not a v8 its a 350. Its not just me who is doing this its me and my uncle and my stepdad and im doing it for one person and thats my real dad so thats why my cockiness and confidence level has risen since the design has fallen into place. As you all say itll take me a while on my budget but i ont care the point is that one day it will be finished and it will shine and run fast and sound meaner than any other civic on the road. The car that im using is a 2 door its not the hatchback that im getting the 2 door has been wrecked and the engine pulled out and im only paying 300$ for it so thats a plus. anyways thats all for now

Is a "350" not a ~5.7 liter/350 cubic inch V8? I suppose you could have a two cylinder engine or a v16 with that displacement and call it a 350 but I thought a 350 was typically a small block V8. Truth be told, I like flat sixes and v12's and could care less about shoehorning a huge engine into a small japanese car but if that is what you want to do, that's fine by me. It's your money.
-Ed

that is what i want to do. you know what brings a smile to my face is someone trying to put a v16 in a civic actually no it doesnt make me smile it makes me fear for safety and run for cover.

that is what i want to do. you know what brings a smile to my face is someone trying to put a v16 in a civic actually no it doesnt make me smile it makes me fear for safety and run for cover.

I think that is the way that most of us feel about your project. Now you understand?

some of us on this board are older and some not older by much.

i'm sure we all remember how we felt as young males at the tender age of 16. criticism always falls on deaf ears at that age.

good luck with the project.

I guess I am not seeing the point of this.. The magnitude of this project would far exceed the resources available to most custom fabrication shops (to be done safely, anyway), not even talking about bolting all of this together in a garage somewhere in Michigan. Not to mention the costs incurred along the way. I mean, $75,000 later you still have a Honda Civic. A wider one, with a bigger motor, but still a Civic.

I can definitely respect your enthusiasm and determination to get something like this accomplished, but I would not want to be anywhere near it when (not if) the car falls apart and sends chunks of it flying all over the highway..

The fact is that it's a stupid thread and should be locked. We all used to imagine crazy shit when we were 16. This kid just happened to have a keyboard and watches MTV True Life. So he decided to tell us all about this wild IDEA he had. Kid, you're just dreaming and unless you put down a deposit already for 2008, I very much doubt you'll be there.

But let me give you a suggestion that will save you about $50,000 in custom fabrication. Go buy yourself a 98 LS1 powered Trans Am. Supercharge it, spray it, and throw on some goodyear drag radials. It will be much faster than your pipe dream small block powered Civic with the weight distribution from hell.

For future ref, go over to the teckademics board. There's plenty of 16 year old dreamer rice boys there with shitty cars and stupid plans. Let me help you out.

http://www.teckademicseast.com/forums

I think you'll find what you're looking for over there.

HAHAHAHAHAHA blunt very blunt.

Very well said.

aww racing hart ur an ass but im not gonna be one i refuse to stoop to the level of someone like as you refer to it as a pipe dream it isnt its something i really want to do and im going and as far as the ricers go i kinda whats the word oh yeah hate them i dont like four cylinders not even mine if i wanted a trans am i would take my dads his is about the baddest ive ever seen but i dont like it really i mean sure its a classic but trans ams arent my bag im a chevy guy as some people have already seen or wait know they may just no. What do you mean unless you put in a down payment now you wont be in in 08 first of all yes i did see it on mtv but ive known about it since before then but just saw the forum and so i decided hey maybe those guys will give me a little feed back on some tips but all i get is shit from most people i will be there no matter what even if the 350 idea doesnt work ill bring my hatchback with its pissy little 4 cylinder. i think ive said enough goodbye

Ever heard of punctuation?

Ever heard of punctuation?
Beat me to it Awais.

well yes ive heard of it buddy doesnt mean ima use it :D hahah

Yeah but it makes for better reading and credibility....

Yeah but it makes for better reading and credibility....
exaaaaaaaaactly.

Dude, I am gonna cut the Hummer in 1/2 then make it 6 inches skinnier. It needs to fit down wrangerler designed trails.

Nick

awww lookmthey try to mock me it doesnt work tho cause i dont give a shit. im gonna do what i want and it will work and if you dont like my punctuation heres a great idea dont read it hah isnt that great yes it is.

what all of your problems are is that you guys dont like change and cant stand it when someone comes up with something a little out of the ordinary but some good advice is get used to it, itll happen alot i life

what all of your problems are is that you guys dont like change and cant stand it when someone comes up with something a little out of the ordinary but some good advice is get used to it, itll happen alot i life

OK we get it, you are going to be the stubborn teenager you are. but PLEASE keep us all updated on the progress (or lack thereof) on your 350/civic swap. If you want to prove all these asses wrong then you have A LOT of work to do, so if you want to make it to the 08 rally, stop posting and start building. Put up or shut up, punk.

what all of your problems are is that you guys dont like change and cant stand it when someone comes up with something a little out of the ordinary but some good advice is get used to it, itll happen alot i life


What the fuck would you know about what happens in life, being 16 and all?!?! Keep up dreaming about your Civic monstrosity...

aww well i plan to start soon on this project i have a pretty good idea of what fucking happens cause me being 16 ive gone through more hardships than most of you will ever endure ive lost friends family and my father and almost lost my self twice so if you think you can top it tell me. I plan to put up soon as the guy says hell say the car. hes going to just he cant do it without the papers yet cause hes got a junk yard and he cant sell things without permission..

aww well i plan to start soon on this project i have a pretty good idea of what fucking happens cause me being 16 ive gone through more hardships than most of you will ever endure ive lost friends family and my father and almost lost my self twice so if you think you can top it tell me. I plan to put up soon as the guy says hell say the car. hes going to just he cant do it without the papers yet cause hes got a junk yard and he cant sell things without permission..


Time for you to find a new internet forum with other stupid youngens like yourself who will actually believe it possible and give you their take on how to go about it.

For once i agree with gotboost... Civic man your just showing your age, and if you want to be respected in here i think its about time you start thinking before you type, otherwise we are going to view you just like those other KIDS that started posting in here right after the mtv thing, and you know what happend to them?? they got blocked for being stupid. We all understand you have a dream and that you are planning on sticking with it, in the real word when someone tells you their opinon of it we ADULTS call it construtive Criticism and learn not to get upset about it.

Well i know its constructive criticism sometimes after a bad day things get to me but umm yeah i have not much to say because i am leaving soon for the movies. Oh yeah im going to see Saw rock on \\m//

i could be a real dick and ruin that movie for you cause i already have seen it.. but i wonlt. It was good though

another perfect waste of bandwith thanks!

hey well i wouldnt read what you said about the movie some guy was doing fucking donuts on ym road this morning in a black camaro cause the road was wet and i was like holy shit thats awesome till i got to school and my best friend told me that he flew by and hit the puddle in front of them and soaked them all and i went after him but someone got to him before i did teach him to show off huh?

what?

yeah i didint understand what the hell that has to do with my comment about the movie.

I didn't understand what the hell that had to do with the english language.

me either just thought you guys would like to know

well..... thanks?

anytime any way the point of that was is that ummmmmm he did a donut on my road not a very good point tho

i think l8er after the movie when all the cops are at home asleep in there warm beds me and my uncle gary are taking his mirage and going drifting in the old k mart parking lot it still has a smooth finish on it

mirage? you guys know how to do it, and how to do it right!!

IT'S THE DYING CANCER PATIENT AND HE'S IN THE ROOM WITH THEM THE WHOLE TIME!

enjoy the movie. douche.

Hahahahahahahaha

LMAO!! You, sir, are an ass. BUT oh well, yea, the dead dude in the middle of the floor. The acting in that movie is HORRIBLE, but the plot twist is good.

heres a little side note that nobody will care about.. the one dude, adam who is in the room, actually wrote the movie, and yeah the acting sucks, except for danny glover, he rules

yes my uncle gary is good at drifting it doesnt matter ruin it all you want its not playing anymore damnit but that was funny crystal thought it was anyway but yeah gary knows how to drift well

yes my uncle gary is good at drifting it doesnt matter ruin it all you want its not playing anymore damnit but that was funny crystal thought it was anyway but yeah gary knows how to drift well


isnt a mirage FWD?

i dont think it is last time i checked it was rear wheel was it not

yes my uncle gary is good at drifting it doesnt matter ruin it all you want its not playing anymore damnit but that was funny crystal thought it was anyway but yeah gary knows how to drift well

Who the hell is crystal... wait never mind dont tell me i stoped caring 10 posts ago

i dont think it is last time i checked it was rear wheel was it not
You're joking right. Damn you're dumb. It's almost pathetic.

Yeah. the mirage is RWD. Car companies have a habit of making 140 HP 4 cylinders Rear wheel drive.

And quit using people's names that we have no fucking clue who they are.

someone you guys shall never meet but about the mirage is it four wheel drive, you guys have made me actually have to think now damnit

4 wheel drive?

actually crystal is the chick i am currently dating as of last tuesday and i thought mirage's were rear wheel drive

Nope....

transverse front-engine/front-wheel drive

good luck drifting in that POS, best you can do is ebrake slides, but those wont even work well at all

wtf make up your damn mind

While sitting at your desk, lift your right foot off the floor and make clockwise circles.

Now, while doing this, draw the number "6" in the air with your right hand.

Your foot will change direction and there's nothing you can do about holy shit this is scary

actually crystal is the chick i am currently dating as of last tuesday and i thought mirage's were rear wheel drive
wow. you made it a whole week and a half. Have you made your wedding plans yet. We all know how you like to talk about things that are 4 years away.

make up my damn mind about what? you thought I was serious about you knowing how to drift well??? LMAO you are trying to drift in a F-ing mitsubishi Mirage!! lol you and your dumbass uncle both suck at life

"Nine out of Ten Firefighters agree: CivicRacer350 should die in a fire."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH damn tom your brutal tonight !!!

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