joe91985
02-27-2009, 12:12 PM
Alrighty, so I decided to take on the task of fixing the heated seat elements. I took a bunch of pictures and will walk through how I did it so you can follow and hopefully save your self a bit of cash but most importantly stenghten that bond between you and machine that we all really care about. If anyone has questions you can PM me or post on here, I will do my best to get back to you but find that I don't get on here for days on end sometimes.
I will start by saying if you don't have practical experiance with fixing cars, soldering, and lots of patience then don't bother, spend the money for someone to just put in a new one. I think they are like $100 each so not too exspensive. I mainly did this because it was snowing and freezing rain and had nothing better to do after work.
You will want to check continuity of the seat padwhile the seat is in the car to make sure you need ot go through this prcoess. i fyou do have continuity obviously check other aspects of the system and also sit in the seat and see if you lose the connection, alot of heaters will be connected until the seat is sat in and wires are seperated.
The tools I needed:
-16mm socket, extension, ratchet (to remove seat)
-#20 torx either bit or screw driver, I like the screw driver cause it's easier to manage.
-hooks for grabbing things
-multi meter
-good battery for testing purposes (you could use your own from the car)
-hog ring pliers and atleast 50 hog rings
-soldering kit
-solder (you want thin guage)
-wire cutters (you want some with good leverage to break the old hog rings)
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY055.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY035.jpg
So to start off with you want to remove the seat from your car, I added a link to another seat DIY that includes seat removal. I will give you the cliff notes for removing the seat:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...seat+cable+fix
-get a E36 M3 (mine came with vadars)
-disconnect battery
-Open drivers or passengers door (which ever is the problem side)
-Move seat fully forward and unbolt the 2 bolts at the rear of the frame, 16mm.
-slide seat back
-remove bolt covers on front
-remove the nuts, again 16mm
-tilt the seat back to access the wire connectors under seat
-unplug connectors
-set seat sitting up and tilt the top of the seat out the door, then lift the bottom to follow, be carefull to not damage plastic trim around door frame.
-congradulations! you have done the easiest part!
Alright to get to the more intricate stuff....
-Set seat face down on a blanket or something to protect the leather from damage.
-On the seat bottom there are 2 clips close to the seat back, those will either need to be broken (mine would only break) or easily remove them to save the clip (good luck). Then remove the 2 #20 torx screws at the front 2 corners of the seat.
-The seat cushion will now be loose, be advised that the foam and leather may be suck to the plastic from age and never being moved so work it off carefully, don't pull hard at it cause you may tear material.
-Fold the bottom seat cushion forward over the leg support to access the hooks that hold the leather.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY008.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY041.jpg
-Pull the leather toward the center of the seat to slide off the clips, the idea here is to not tear around the little holes so it will hold just as strong and not develop tears later down the road.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY010.jpg
-After unclipping the leather and paying attention to the way pieces are folded over one another (refer to pictures if you forgot how they were during re-assembly) you will want to roll the edges over. Rolling it over allows the material to strech but also reduces the stress its put under so it will keep it from tearing.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY011.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY012.jpg
-Now you will want to work around the edges cutting the hog rings. I did the sides first then moved to the center, this was the best method I came up with for getting them off and on without risking damage. You may have to cut the same ring twice, I found that it felt like I cut it, but it was still connected.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY013.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY014.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY015.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY046.jpg
-Once you have got the leather unclipped to the point the heater will come out you can stop, no need to unclip the entire cover if your just going to fix/replace the heater.
-With heater out you can look for noticable burn marks on the foam pad of the seat and on the heater itself, these will give you a good indication of where to check for breaks. I found that on my rear pad the wires were schorched causing them to not pass current. I had to pull sections of the wire and jump them, basically I lost some of the space the heating element works for to make a good connection.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY047.jpg
-You now want to hook the multimeter up and check for continuity, if you have reached this step and do then you wasted alot of time and should have paid attention to checking the continuity before removing the seat from the car. If you did check and it had an open circuit and now has continuity you need ot move around the seat material while watching the meter to see if it breaks the circuit.
I found using a floresent light under the pad helps to see the wire patterns and can aid in finding a break but due to the material used ot insulate the wires it hard to see where a break is. I started by opening from the fleece side (up side) to access the connection points. Only cut where you need to. The materials are glued together so you can't just seperate the pad layers.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY026.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY028.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY030.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY050.jpg
Once you have the solder points exposed you can check to make sure the small wire is properly attached to the big wire. What I did was open 2 sides that only have the 2 ends of the small wire (on seat bottom) and used the mutlimeter to check continuity between the 2 points to verify that section has a good connection. Work your way around until you find a problem area, repair, then check continuity through the connector (testing the whole pad). I found I had multiple points that were issues so many repairs were needed to gain continuity between the 2 connector pins. One the seat back it is one long small wire that requires a little more intricate work to figure out where the breaks are but if you have got this far you will be able to figure it out.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY049.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY031.jpg
Once the repairs have been made make sure you protect the areas where the material was cut open. I used electrical tape since it was late and didn't have a drivers seat to go anywhere. I would assume this is going to work fine for the long haul.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY052.jpg
Now the real fun begins...
Attaching the leather back to the seat takes the most patience out of this process because you want to make sure everything lines up to reduce wrinkling.
To start you want to mock up the heater element on the first block your going to attach, this means tucking the corners down in the seat foam and makeing sure its flat and even lined up.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY016.jpg
I will start by saying if you don't have practical experiance with fixing cars, soldering, and lots of patience then don't bother, spend the money for someone to just put in a new one. I think they are like $100 each so not too exspensive. I mainly did this because it was snowing and freezing rain and had nothing better to do after work.
You will want to check continuity of the seat padwhile the seat is in the car to make sure you need ot go through this prcoess. i fyou do have continuity obviously check other aspects of the system and also sit in the seat and see if you lose the connection, alot of heaters will be connected until the seat is sat in and wires are seperated.
The tools I needed:
-16mm socket, extension, ratchet (to remove seat)
-#20 torx either bit or screw driver, I like the screw driver cause it's easier to manage.
-hooks for grabbing things
-multi meter
-good battery for testing purposes (you could use your own from the car)
-hog ring pliers and atleast 50 hog rings
-soldering kit
-solder (you want thin guage)
-wire cutters (you want some with good leverage to break the old hog rings)
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY055.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY035.jpg
So to start off with you want to remove the seat from your car, I added a link to another seat DIY that includes seat removal. I will give you the cliff notes for removing the seat:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...seat+cable+fix
-get a E36 M3 (mine came with vadars)
-disconnect battery
-Open drivers or passengers door (which ever is the problem side)
-Move seat fully forward and unbolt the 2 bolts at the rear of the frame, 16mm.
-slide seat back
-remove bolt covers on front
-remove the nuts, again 16mm
-tilt the seat back to access the wire connectors under seat
-unplug connectors
-set seat sitting up and tilt the top of the seat out the door, then lift the bottom to follow, be carefull to not damage plastic trim around door frame.
-congradulations! you have done the easiest part!
Alright to get to the more intricate stuff....
-Set seat face down on a blanket or something to protect the leather from damage.
-On the seat bottom there are 2 clips close to the seat back, those will either need to be broken (mine would only break) or easily remove them to save the clip (good luck). Then remove the 2 #20 torx screws at the front 2 corners of the seat.
-The seat cushion will now be loose, be advised that the foam and leather may be suck to the plastic from age and never being moved so work it off carefully, don't pull hard at it cause you may tear material.
-Fold the bottom seat cushion forward over the leg support to access the hooks that hold the leather.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY008.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY041.jpg
-Pull the leather toward the center of the seat to slide off the clips, the idea here is to not tear around the little holes so it will hold just as strong and not develop tears later down the road.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY010.jpg
-After unclipping the leather and paying attention to the way pieces are folded over one another (refer to pictures if you forgot how they were during re-assembly) you will want to roll the edges over. Rolling it over allows the material to strech but also reduces the stress its put under so it will keep it from tearing.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY011.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY012.jpg
-Now you will want to work around the edges cutting the hog rings. I did the sides first then moved to the center, this was the best method I came up with for getting them off and on without risking damage. You may have to cut the same ring twice, I found that it felt like I cut it, but it was still connected.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY013.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY014.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY015.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY046.jpg
-Once you have got the leather unclipped to the point the heater will come out you can stop, no need to unclip the entire cover if your just going to fix/replace the heater.
-With heater out you can look for noticable burn marks on the foam pad of the seat and on the heater itself, these will give you a good indication of where to check for breaks. I found that on my rear pad the wires were schorched causing them to not pass current. I had to pull sections of the wire and jump them, basically I lost some of the space the heating element works for to make a good connection.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY047.jpg
-You now want to hook the multimeter up and check for continuity, if you have reached this step and do then you wasted alot of time and should have paid attention to checking the continuity before removing the seat from the car. If you did check and it had an open circuit and now has continuity you need ot move around the seat material while watching the meter to see if it breaks the circuit.
I found using a floresent light under the pad helps to see the wire patterns and can aid in finding a break but due to the material used ot insulate the wires it hard to see where a break is. I started by opening from the fleece side (up side) to access the connection points. Only cut where you need to. The materials are glued together so you can't just seperate the pad layers.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY026.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY028.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY030.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY050.jpg
Once you have the solder points exposed you can check to make sure the small wire is properly attached to the big wire. What I did was open 2 sides that only have the 2 ends of the small wire (on seat bottom) and used the mutlimeter to check continuity between the 2 points to verify that section has a good connection. Work your way around until you find a problem area, repair, then check continuity through the connector (testing the whole pad). I found I had multiple points that were issues so many repairs were needed to gain continuity between the 2 connector pins. One the seat back it is one long small wire that requires a little more intricate work to figure out where the breaks are but if you have got this far you will be able to figure it out.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY049.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY031.jpg
Once the repairs have been made make sure you protect the areas where the material was cut open. I used electrical tape since it was late and didn't have a drivers seat to go anywhere. I would assume this is going to work fine for the long haul.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY052.jpg
Now the real fun begins...
Attaching the leather back to the seat takes the most patience out of this process because you want to make sure everything lines up to reduce wrinkling.
To start you want to mock up the heater element on the first block your going to attach, this means tucking the corners down in the seat foam and makeing sure its flat and even lined up.
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq6/joe91985/seatheaterDIY016.jpg