That's OK; the non turbo 996s make as much power as a stock Subaru STI or a Nissan 350Z
FWIW I wouldn't put an LSx in a C5; you'll take a massive hit if you ever sell the car. You can get more power for less money with a blower, and then take the blower off if/when you want to sell it
Not worried about selling it, I'll keep it forever. I purchased the car cheap enough that I don't really care if I build a 10K engine for it. Plus if for some un-godly reason I decide to sell it, I'll just swap the stock engine back into the car. (Or another LS1 engine because I might swap this one into a 67 camaro.)
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Originally Posted by diablesse
lol
I hope to god's sake I'm not going to have to listen to this sort of corvette-complex drivel all rally long.
No matter what you say, you still drive an old-man's car.
You are just jealous that you overpaid for an under-performing sports car.
About 2/3rds of the way down:
"The demographics of Corvette buyers are what one would expect: predominantly middle-aged males with a median income of around $150K (about the same demographics as the 911, except triple the salary). No surprises here, really."
You are just jealous that you overpaid for an under-performing sports car.
I would't call a 300+hp, 4.9sec 0-60, 175mph 996 an under-performing sports car....... especially when we start throwing them into the turns. Can't wait for the twisties!!
Not to mention the unrivaled reliability and customer service of a Porsche......
I think I would shoot myself in the foot before calling GM Corporate ever again....... ......
I would't call a 300+hp, 4.9sec 0-60, 175mph 996 an under-performing sports car....... especially when we start throwing them into the turns. Can't wait for the twisties!!
Not to mention the unrivaled reliability and customer service of a Porsche......
I think I would shoot myself in the foot before calling GM Corporate ever again....... ......
Gotta love the friendly pre-rally banter
I'm just busting balls.
You can get a ~1999 FRC C5 with 66K miles for ~15,000 bucks.
FYI I paid 16,500 for mine with 23K on it 3 years ago, sank another ~7K into it and it can out drive a C6 Zo6 in any manor. It has to be at least on par with a 996 if not faster.
Plus she gets 25mpg on zee highway, and if I ever want to sell it, I'll pull the heads, and swap the diffs, sell the car for 15K, and get about 5k back for my mods. Plus I beat the shit out of the car and she hasn't complained one bit.
Had to replace the battery and starter. Now I need to find the A/C coolant leak. Those are my only problems, except keeping tires on the back of course.
You can get a ~1999 FRC C5 with 66K miles for ~15,000 bucks.
FYI I paid 16,500 for mine with 23K on it 3 years ago, sank another ~7K into it and it can out drive a C6 Zo6 in any manor. It has to be at least on par with a 996 if not faster.
Plus she gets 25mpg on zee highway, and if I ever want to sell it, I'll pull the heads, and swap the diffs, sell the car for 15K, and get about 5k back for my mods. Plus I beat the shit out of the car and she hasn't complained one bit.
Had to replace the battery and starter. Now I need to find the A/C coolant leak. Those are my only problems, except keeping tires on the back of course.
Yea, Its all in good fun!! We aren't a sensitive bunch
I also had no idea C5's were that attainable.....
but what isn't these days..... You can pick up a 996 TT with 60k miles for around 25grand..... drop 5-8k on new turbo's and your 800+hp range
Its a buyers market to say the least!!!
Can't wait to get out there and run with all you fools, Florida won't know what hit 'em
i don't really care about numbers or stats or whatever, because anyone can make the numbers appear favorable for their side of the argument... fact of the matter is Porsche > GM
base model vette < base model 911
z06 < 911 turbo
zr1 < 9ff
but this is opinion (albeit the correct one)
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i don't really care about numbers or stats or whatever, because anyone can make the numbers appear favorable for their side of the argument... fact of the matter is Porsche > GM
base model vette < base model 911
3179lbs, 430hp, 400ft-lbs torque vs 3100lbs, 345hp and 288ft-lbs torque?
Not to mention the base 911 costs as much as a Z06...
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Originally Posted by hey gotbo0st
z06 < 911 turbo
Ummm... No, not even close 480hp, 3495lbs car vs 3175lbs 505hp car? Allow me to illustrate
It also doesn't get any better when you throw some turns into the mixture...
Nurburgring lap times: C6 Z06 did a 7.42.9 on factory run flats. The best time for a 997 Turbo is 2 seconds faster on Pilot Sport Cub race tires. Again, 320 less pounds of weight, a wider wheel base, more horsepower, more torque and wider tires give the 'Vette more traction so it is just as fast around corners and stops just as fast.
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Originally Posted by hey gotbo0st
zr1 < 9ff
What? 9ff GT9? Are you seriously comparing a 900 thousand dollar car with a production run of 20 units with a mass produced Corvette that retails for 100K? Its a joke, right? Nice one . Bring a Bugatti into the equation next time too... Its faster than the ZR1! Its faster than anything GM ever made! So what if it costs 17 times as much
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Originally Posted by hey gotbo0st
but this is opinion (albeit the correct one)
I guess you were comparing prices? In that case you were spot on
Don't get me wrong, I love Porsches and I was this close to buying one (was going to pick up a 996 Turbo instead of the C6). But the bottom line for me was very simple: I wanted a really, really fast car, and for the money the Porshe is just not it. You pay a LOT of money for a car that is average fast at best, and then you pay a LOT more to make it quick. If money were no object I'd be all about it, but on a budget, you won't find a Porshe in the world that will run with my car without spending multiple times what I've got put into it; mid 30 thousand dollar car, 6 grand supercharger, and I've got 18000 miles on boost in a car that puts down 600 to the tires on pump gas and gets driven to work every day... Seeing as I'm buying a house, it didn't make a lot of sense to dump 100 thousand dollars+ to get the kind of horsepower a 20 thousand dollar Evo 8 makes with a turbo swap... And the Evo WILL handle just as well too (and I don't even like Mitsus)... My 2 cents worth.
You get what you pay for, all numbers, youtube videos and lap times aside, GM will never have the build quality or customer service of a Porsche....period
with that being said, Yes you can clearly make a vette faster then a Porsche, but your still stuck with junk electronics, cheaper quality parts, plastic, unimaginative interiors, and dealerships that don't know their ass from the elblows. Not to even mention the financial situation GM got themselves in.
Sure in 1 youtube video a 911 turbo gets beat by a z06, but come on, its all about the driver..... I would like to see your supercharged vette vs an AWE or EVOMS 800 997 Turbo.....now that would be a race to see....cuz we all know stock sucks!!!!
I honestly hope I never have to deal with GM corporate again, after our 2 Tahoe's transmissions failures, They were complete assholes who didn't know shit.......
Meanwhile
I had a little problem on my first cayenne with my air suspension, next thing I know, completely unprovoked Porsche NA has hanz and franz on the next flight from germany coming to fix my car. ( this actually happened in 04, when the cayennes were still so new)
Powerlabs makes a great point about wanting a really really fast car on a budget, which makes complete sense, and personally it sounds like you went the right route..... (just watched you speedo acceleration video)
but on the other hand..... a 996 turbo (used) can be had for 30gs, add 10k max for a whole new turbo setup and your at least if not faster then your current setup with the same amount of money spent.....granted the vette was new and the 996 is used, but hey it can be done.....
PS.....NO ONE, but really rich douche nozzles pay MSRP for Porsches.....anyone who can negotiate can look for a minumum of 10k off sticker to start.......ive seen discounts as high as 30k off sticker....
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I feel I must interject....
The bottom line is Porsche > GM
You get what you pay for, all numbers, youtube videos and lap times aside, GM will never have the build quality or customer service of a Porsche....period
with that being said, Yes you can clearly make a vette faster then a Porsche, but your still stuck with junk electronics, cheaper quality parts, plastic, unimaginative interiors, and dealerships that don't know their ass from the elblows. Not to even mention the financial situation GM got themselves in.
Sure in 1 youtube video a 911 turbo gets beat by a z06, but come on, its all about the driver..... I would like to see your supercharged vette vs an AWE or EVOMS 800 997 Turbo.....now that would be a race to see....cuz we all know stock sucks!!!!
I honestly hope I never have to deal with GM corporate again, after our 2 Tahoe's transmissions failures, They were complete assholes who didn't know shit.......
Meanwhile
I had a little problem on my first cayenne with my air suspension, next thing I know, completely unprovoked Porsche NA has hanz and franz on the next flight from germany coming to fix my car. ( this actually happened in 04, when the cayennes were still so new)
Powerlabs makes a great point about wanting a really really fast car on a budget, which makes complete sense, and personally it sounds like you went the right route..... (just watched you speedo acceleration video)
but on the other hand..... a 996 turbo (used) can be had for 30gs, add 10k max for a whole new turbo setup and your at least if not faster then your current setup with the same amount of money spent.....granted the vette was new and the 996 is used, but hey it can be done.....
PS.....NO ONE, but really rich douche nozzles pay MSRP for Porsches.....anyone who can negotiate can look for a minumum of 10k off sticker to start.......ive seen discounts as high as 30k off sticker....
All very true and I agree with you 100% (minus on the 996 Turbo making 600WHP for 40 grand... I think it'd take a lot more than that to do it on pump gas), but I will point just one thing out before I stop being so off-topic :
In 54,000 miles I have had exactly one problem with my Corvette; the clutch pedal return spring broke off. I drove it to the dealership, they took it in, and gave me a free rental car, which I upgraded to a rental C6 Hertz Corvette by paying the difference. While it was at the dealership I asked them if they could order me a new handbrake boot because I torn my stock one removing it for a stereo install. The parts guy told me that only came as part of the handbrake assembly and it cost $260. I told him I didn't need it that bad.
When I came back to pick the car up it was washed, the clutch spring had been replaced and they gave me a whole new handbrake assembly for free. The guy who worked on my 'Vette owned a Corvette and was extremely knowledgeable.
So, that's the only thing that broke on my car, and its been modded from 12,000 miles on, and supercharged from 36000 miles on... Conversely, my 2005 STI burned a quart every 1000 miles by the time it hit 12K miles, my 1999 2.5RS broke not one, but 3 transmissions, one differential, a halfshaft, two power steering pumps, ate a turbo and blew the engine 3 times, making 320AWHP, my Audi A4 had electrical problems with the engine, the transmission and the ABS system and died on the side of the road, and my fathers brand new AMG Mercedes Benz has been to the dealership twice since he got it under a year ago, and the second time it was because it completely refused to start up at work after being serviced that same day. Poor service, weak parts, and bad electronics are by no means a Chevrolet-only thing
This was at Paramus Chevrolet in Paramus, NJ. So not all dealerships are bad.
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You "think" it would take more than that, gotta love bench racing.
Sounds like whoever tuned your RS was a fool, and the 5 speeds are known as glass transmissions so operator error will tend to blow them up.
Well, by "Think" I mean "I raced a yellow 996 Turbo at Byron Dragway in Indianapolis at Winged Warrior 4. That car had aftermarket turbos, headers, intercoolers, charge pipes and a variety of RUF components on it. It was purchased used for $80,000 and supposedly made 600HP.
It ran a best of 11.9x @ 123MPH with a good 60 foot and no wheelspin. I spun off the line, lifted, rehooked and still beat him by half a second to the end. That car also sucked at the autocross, because, according to the driver, it was "too fast to autocross" Call me unimpressed. I had the 5th fastest time of the day and it was the 2nd time I ever autocrossed this car with a blower" I know there are way faster ones out there, but I've never seen a really fast one that was cheap to build. Doesn't a good set of headers for those cars cost circa 5K?
Re: Fool tuner: Lachute Subaru in Montreal did the tune. it cost me $1100 just for the tune. They build rally cars and came highly recommended. I'm sure the tune could have been less conservative but the bottom line is that the EJ207 is not a tough engine.
And yes, those 5 speeds are a complete piece of crap. And the fact that Subaru decided they were suitable for the car for several generations is part of the reason why you won't see me driving another one any time soon. In 2003 their "fix" for how many were blowing up when launched was to put a hydraulic restrictor on the clutch line so that sidestepping the clutch pedal doesn't cause an actual clutch dump to happen. I call that a "mickey mouse fix"... It spurred a new wave of failing clutches for that year. In 2004 they put RA-sized gears (3mm wider) on the transmission, so those aren't AS bad, but they'll still break if you make anything resembling real torque. The STI's 6 speed was bullet proof, but the rear differential clutchpack on my car was broken the day I picked it up with 7600 miles, both rear struts leaked oil, clunked, and had to be replaced (common problem) by 15K, and the engine burned oil to the tune of a qt every 1000 miles.
you get what you pay for, all numbers, youtube videos and lap times aside, gm will never have the build quality or customer service of a porsche....period
with that being said, yes you can clearly make a vette faster then a porsche, but your still stuck with junk electronics, cheaper quality parts, plastic, unimaginative interiors, and dealerships that don't know their ass from the elblows. Not to even mention the financial situation gm got themselves in.
Sure in 1 youtube video a 911 turbo gets beat by a z06, but come on, its all about the driver..... I would like to see your supercharged vette vs an awe or evoms 800 997 turbo.....now that would be a race to see....cuz we all know stock sucks!!!!
I honestly hope i never have to deal with gm corporate again, after our 2 tahoe's transmissions failures, they were complete assholes who didn't know shit.......
Meanwhile
i had a little problem on my first cayenne with my air suspension, next thing i know, completely unprovoked porsche na has hanz and franz on the next flight from germany coming to fix my car. ( this actually happened in 04, when the cayennes were still so new)
powerlabs makes a great point about wanting a really really fast car on a budget, which makes complete sense, and personally it sounds like you went the right route..... (just watched you speedo acceleration video)
but on the other hand..... A 996 turbo (used) can be had for 30gs, add 10k max for a whole new turbo setup and your at least if not faster then your current setup with the same amount of money spent.....granted the vette was new and the 996 is used, but hey it can be done.....
Ps.....no one, but really rich douche nozzles pay msrp for porsches.....anyone who can negotiate can look for a minumum of 10k off sticker to start.......ive seen discounts as high as 30k off sticker....